Will you just take it easy, man? ([info]knockoutapathy) wrote,
@ 2005-09-18 18:55:00
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Current mood: cynical
Current music:The Vibrators - I Need A Slave
Entry tags:internet, music, work

Against the War On Terror. Against War AND Terror.
"Paid Vacation" - 1980

I hope you're having fun.
Where's your uniform?
Where's your gun?
Better rub up that suntan lotion
'Cause you'll be fighting in the hot sun.

It's not..Vietnam,
Just another oil company scam.
Salute that flag for Uncle Sam.
Get your money out, place your bets...
It's Afghanistan!

Fix bayonets, check grenades.
Got enough bullets,
Got enough rounds to wipe out this place?
We're the infantry & the cavalry
Parachutes fill the sky,
Bodies burn and people die.

It's not..Vietnam,
It's another oil company scam.
Better salute your flag for Uncle Sam.
Get your money out, place your bets...
It's Afghanistan!

Fix bayonets, check grenades.
Got enough bullets,
Got enough rounds to wipe out this place?
We're the infantry & the cavalry
Parachutes fill the sky,
Bodies burn and people die.

The only thing that didnt stand the test of time in this song are the parachutes.

If you'd like more proof that Keith Morris uses a crystal ball, go here (by the way, I noticed there is a guest vocalist of that name on a Fu Manchu album called California Crossing, song of the same name. Is that the same Keith Morris?)

In light of my entry on Thursday, I have decided the time has come: short of checking gig advertisings and things related to Bomb Ibiza, I will no longer be posting on Mancpunkscene. My patience with the tossers who now dominate its intellectual arena has run dry. Last year, in the forums mildly entertaining board awards, I won the merit of most politicially aware. At the time I disputed this, because out of the 1000 odd users there was at least a handful of people with more understanding of government politics and of social issues like drug-use and media racism than myself. It's telling that this years board awards, currently going on, don't even have a "most political" category.

I wouldn't have won it anyway, not that I'd particularly care. Partially because my postcount has been rising much less rapidly, and also because the atmosphere seems to have changed. It's shifted from disputes within liberal and radical politics to disputes between right-wing and rational politics. Mancpunkscene has succumbed to complete irrelevance and staleness. It has stopped providing an interesting forum for us to discuss our movement through the music scene. It's not just that dickhead Canadian Manchester City fan. A lot of the intellects, ie: the people who post about things other than putting traffic cones on their heads; have centralised their views in order to appear more open minded. This befalls far too many people with otherwise good values. People who can even consider debating whether firing cluster bombs into residential areas is ever a good idea, whether car culture is a major reason the US government has cocked up Hurricane Katrina so much, whether corporatism has absolutely destroyed the planet possibly beyond recovery, and whether oil production is peaking. Most recently whether Jeremy Clarkson is an irresponsible anti-humanist. I read a feature of his in the Sunday Times this morning in reference to making the London Olympics in 2012 environmentally friendly: "They [the games] are not an opportunity for a bunch of stupid, left-wing, weird-beard failures to make political points." They don't care that the instruments in their yearly new mobile phones may have come from looting of the warzone in the Congo, they don't care that by 2050 the UN predicts there will be 150million global warming refugees, they don't care that Nike owns Converse, Etnies and Vans. They don't acknowledge that cars don't enhance freedom, they supress it. They don't acknowledge that supermarkets represent a wholly unsustainable way of consuming and living. As a result, the views of radicals have become marginalised as irrational and extremist, as opposed to what is necessary in todays nightmarish world more than ever. I almost feel like I should point out to these morons that I do post in the music forums, just to show that I'm human and do think about non-serious things on occasion - as if I need to defend having the same views as the bands they all like. Mancpunkscene has become the Have Your Say segment of the BBC website: literally.

This morning, a man of maybe fifty-something came into the shop and bought a newspaper. As I got his change he said "rough night James?" I glanced up and didn't think I recognised him, but made a noise resembling a small laugh and grinned, guessing maybe he was a neighbour or a friend of my parents. "I wouldn't like to be behind those eyes" he said. "Heh, well.." - Well he was walking away before I came up with a boring reply. As he left I realised I didn't have any idea who he was, nor he I: he'd just read the name badge I recently acquired. Some people deserve to have their tongues cut out.



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craziecat
2005-09-18 07:14 pm UTC (link)
*hugs her cynical James*

Cynical or not, you're by far the most outspoken and most well-rounded in intellgence, I think.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-18 09:56 pm UTC (link)
*hugs*

Well thanks very much. :)
In hindsight this rant was perhaps not worth the effort, since only about 5 people on my list use that forum. To expand slightly though, its like a lot of them are afraid of appearing to have radical opinions, as its just not seen as developed or rational. Which is nonsense.

I took this as an opportunity to try to write interestingly though.

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craziecat
2005-09-18 10:00 pm UTC (link)
you succeeded.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-18 10:19 pm UTC (link)
And the bad thing is I feel like I believe them when they give off that vibe. That I'm just young and angry and naive. Like, I know if one of the questioned were to see this they'd say I am assuming they dont really have those MOR beliefs, and how dare I, and I'm making judgements on "what punk is", that old annoying gem, argh. It pisses me off that people like me are accused of being holier-than-thou when they're doing the exact same thing by accusing it. Thinking about the whole thing pisses me off. Thats why I should stop going to the site. Argh!

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[info]7wrc
2007-05-02 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Agree.

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[info]refusetobeaman
2007-05-02 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Are you a real person? Do you know anything about the many comments below?

I just checked "Make Noise Manchester" before this comment arrived, for the first time in months. I SMELL AN IRONIC RAT.

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[info]7wrc
2007-05-02 09:55 pm UTC (link)
No, seems, I don't :(

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[info]irukat
2005-09-19 06:54 am UTC (link)
(on a completely random note)

Try having a 'hawk.. they're fun.. I'm on #3.
Knitting = awesome... look @ www.knitty.com for a sweet hoodie.

nya.

Thanks for *hug* ^^

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Nice to get a comment from you. :)

Perhaps I will brave the clippers..
Where is the hoodie on that site?

Thats okay. Take care. :)

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[info]irukat
2005-09-19 05:51 pm UTC (link)
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tadaa... although it might be a bit.... challenging to v.new knitters.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 06:06 pm UTC (link)
That is really cool! Only if you did do it yourself though, so I wont have anything like that for some time.

This afternoon, my mum showed me some very basic basics. I am in for a long haul.

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selfhealer
2005-09-19 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Not that I was ever one for discussion on MPS, serious or otherwise, but I've really gone off posting there now. Different reasons to yours though, I think (and in general I've gone off a lot of things recently). I definitely feel that holier-than-thou vibe from there and it seems like everyone's so quick to be negative about something and I just think it's killing off any real discussions. I think it's the same thing for most music-based forums though.

See you around hopefully. Maybe on Thursday.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 05:18 pm UTC (link)
You're JUST right about the discussions thing.

You may not have ever been all that involved in serious discussion, but you were who could always be counted on to say something sensible when everyone was trying too hard to talk crap.

Maybe I'll see on Wednesday, Break The Silence?

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selfhealer
2005-09-19 05:26 pm UTC (link)
There's those TSN Centre gigs going on at the moment and I've bought a ticket to go to all of them. Wednesday is Beecher and I've yet to see them.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I see. I havent been to any DIY gigs for over a month, I havent known whats going on with that. Are they earning good money?

Well I'll see you maybe on Thursday, very cool of you to brave it.

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selfhealer
2005-09-19 05:38 pm UTC (link)
I hadn't been to a DIY gig in ages! In fact, I think the last one I was at (before Sunday) was one that Andy and I put on. Sunday was alright with the turnout, didn't get busy at all though. I almost feel bad for not posting and hyping up these gigs on MPS. Tonight is Buzzkill/Sonic Boom Six/Hot Club de Paris/The Dauntless Elite which ought to pull in a big crowd without the need for any hyping of the bands. If not then I'll be very disappointed.

We've got two classy looking gigs at the Phoenix coming up in November. The line ups haven't been finalised yet but I might post the speculative ones in my LJ later.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 05:50 pm UTC (link)
That line up should pull in a big crowd. I'd like to see Buzzkill again sometime. Not to mention The Dauntless Elite.

I was listening to Under The Pavement radio from July the other day and your Owen gig was advertised on it. Was that your doing or Dans?

What was on Sunday? Er yesterday?

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selfhealer
2005-09-19 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I've no idea what Under The Pavement is. The gig was featured in the free Metro newspaper and that wasn't either ours or Dans doing, someone just decided to write about it.

Sunday was a half-dayer with Milloy, get.cape..., No One Lost, The sWord, Tellison, The Minor Fall and Shermer. There's prob more that I forgot.

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[info]knockoutapathy
2005-09-19 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I've no idea who two thirds of those bands are. Heh.

http://www.underthepavement.org my good sir. It's a Manchester radical programme thats on fortnightly. The presenters are shit but they're doing us all a lot of good. If you go to "playlists" then click on the date you can listen to an MP3 of the progs. MATO had a song played there the other month but that show isnt in the archive.

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under the pavement
(Anonymous)
2005-10-07 10:40 am UTC (link)
hi, i'm one of the presenters of under the pavement. we like to get feedback, even if its negative, so whats so shit about us? and how could we be less shit?

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Re: under the pavement
[info]knockoutapathy
2005-10-07 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Hi, I don't know if you'll see this reply, being anonymous, so maybe I'll email it to you later.

I'm terribly sorry and this is terribly embarassing. I barely even remember writing that comment, but you are not shit. I probably just wrote it quickly. Radio presenting is an area I've always felt I would like to do, and I know I would be no better.

I first heard your programme about 6 months ago, and I did think it was a great idea but presented a bit ropily. I think it was a Palestine special. I've listened to a lot of the other MP3's since then and I've definitely gotten more used to the style. Obviously, you're not trying to sound like Chris Moyles, and it's just kind of easy and fun to listen to.

Again I apologise, and I was planning on emailing you anyway today.

How the devil did you come across this on my journal though?

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Re: under the pavement
(Anonymous)
2005-10-11 01:37 pm UTC (link)
hello again.

i'm posting anonymously cos i don't have a livejournal account and couldn't be bothered reading all about the "OpenID" option.

we found your blog because we were looking at the website stats and someone clicked on your link to our page.....

i'm glad its obvious we're not trying to be chris moyles - if you'd said that we were then i think i'd have taken that as more of an insult than you calling us shit ;)
i'm not really that insulted you called us shit, i call jk and joel, mark toolan, chris moyles, zoe ball, steve penk etc etc shit any time i have the misfortune to hear them.

if you want to get into radio presenting then try getting in touch with one of the local community stations - i don't know what the nearest one to you is. (or you could get yourself a little transmitter........;))

personally i like the style of community radio - i find it a break from the drab predictability of commercial stations, the presenters are more real and the content more varied, people fuck up and play records at the wrong speed (hey, it never did john peel and harm...), the equipment does strange unexpected things, won't recognise CDRs, bits of paper with vital notes on disappear at the worst possible moment, some of the jingles are cheesy, sometimes the guests come in pissed......
but you get to hear so much stuff, both music and peoples views, that would never get played on mainstream radio - also the audience is relatively small so theres more chance of winning the competitions, getting a gig mentioned or a tune played.

i'm glad you have got used to our presenting style, perhaps we have even improved over the months - hopefully we will improve more, i know we occassionally have a tendancy to talk shit when a tune suddenly ends and we realise we have to say something, sometimes an interview falls through anbd we arrange something else at the last minute that we haven't researched properly (happened the other week :o ).

spike

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